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That's what is being discussed; in particular, Eric's claim that there is some sort of 'Barrier' which he says he can deduce from the nature of evolution, symbols and meaning. stunny: That is false.
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Zachriel: and they work regardless of anyone's 'understanding'. stunny: That's not true, in my view.
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However, there is no scientific support for such a view. stunny: Not, of course, that your trying to assume your conclusion with an implied premise that if something's intelligent, it's necessarily physical.
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May 20th, 2007 at 8: 48 am stunny: You're at it again.
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There is no more scientific evidence that transcription would cease in the absence of someone 'understanding' the process than there is that water forms crystals when cold. stunny: DNA code only works, in my view, because it was designed to by its designer who understood it thoroughly.
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It's only a few philosophers who fret. stunny: So, in recorded history the hypothesis that codes cannot evolve unintentionally from non-codes hasn't been falsified.
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Spotted it. stunny: Does the physical description of Shakespeare composing all his literary work capture that entire activity?
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However, I would note that large-brained apes are more intelligent than small-brained apes. stunny: Rather than conclude that physical observation is too limiting to be a defining criterion of rational inquiry, like a sane person would, you become so ridiculously slavish to that criterion that it forces you to pretend some uncertainty about whether scientists, logicians, and mathematicians have rational minds.
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Maybe it's true, but there's no scientific evidence to support the claim. stunny: Hey, why do you hate Copernicus so much?
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You could try to approach this issue by explaining what you mean by abstraction. stunny: DNA code only works, in my view, because it was designed to by its designer who understood it thoroughly.
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