Yeah!!! What if, like, somebody thought up this site, okay, where, like, people could just LIST things. And they could comment on other people's lists. And on other people's words! And other people could, like, talk to them, but about WORDS! They should totally call it something like "wordie."
I sure wish I could leave comments on Wordnik lists. Comments like "great list, ruzuzu!", or "bilby, I'd never have thought of adding that word to my list, but now that you've suggested it, I see it is a perfect word for this list, thanks!".
What is happening when I try to add words to a list and when the page reloads it switches me to another view? I'm not sure what it's called but it only shows me the list and links in basic html and I have to go back to my profile to get the normal view again.
I agree with dontcry. I always used to read Wordie by scanning for the threads in purple first, to pick up where I'd left off. Also in some operations I do on lists, knowing that I've clicked before saves a lot of time.
I'm not sure how to say this -- but in wordie, I could scan the front page and pick out the comments I made, or my name or words I had commented on -- by color. On this Zeitgeist list, the word and the wordie are always the same color -- which makes quick scanning impossible... Sorry if this is redundant. More sorrier if it is incomprehensible...
Previous comments are finally available! Thanks John! One question: is it my computer, or something wrong has just happened on the Zeitgeist page? It seems to me that the font size has changed, and -- OK, I don't know how to say it so I'll take a screenshot.
Edit: Never mind. The strange thing on the left column has disappeared.
I got tired of forever seeing pygopagus, and though I rarely favorite words I did so to inimitable in hopes of changing the state of affairs. Nothing did. Does the "Recently favorited words" fail to update?
The new site is lovely, and promising. May I make a simple request that you reduce the sensitivity or quick-draw forcefulness of the "autocomplete" feature in the Search at the top? I am having to re-type some searches multiple times.
I'm assuming the database is filled with many "words" that Wordnik auto-assimilated by crawling the web. So they'll show up with the Random feature even though they've never actually been seen on the site with human eyes. Which is different from Wordie, which required that all words be manually added to the database by users.
Among other things, we had a "comment title box" on Wordie, that many people (like me) used quite often (I used it a lot on insomnia). It got lost when we moved (it didn't work well during the last months of YEWYOW either).
lampbane, we're running a cleanup script on the entire database of example sentences as we speak. It has a ton of fixes in it which should remove a bunch of bad sentences, lower the rank on others, and increase the rank of some good ones. Should be done by the end of next week.
This isn't particularly important compared to getting fully working comments on list and tag pages, but if you look at the . newly added to Wordie Paradox, you'll see it apparently has a comment left over from Wordie Classic. Currently this comment can't be seen, because . redirects to a random word page. .. traverses to the home page, while ... and above semi-work; their sub-pages aren't accessible. It's nice to discover a Wordnik Paradox, but I don't like to think of any poor Wordie comments getting lost in the wilderness without the care of their independent flockmaster.
It looks as though links in old Wordie posts which were formed with square brackets now point to capitalised versions of word pages if the linked text does, which means that some links have actually been repointed. Maybe comments with timestamps from the First Age of Wordie should automatically be made to point to lowercase versions...?
Seems like a "move this comment to another page..." button above every comment might help. Click it to see a list of probable capitalization/punctuation variants that might be appropriate, and a text box to enter your own if it's not in the list. If you're the original author of the comment, it changes immediately; if you're not, it enters a queue for moderation (to prevent abuse). A similar feature for bracketed words would be nice, for the cases when display text and actual linked word should differ.
It'll take time but with tools like those, eventually diligent users will sort (almost) everything out.
Case sensitivity is weirding me out -- to wit: for every Polish and turkey there are hundreds of other words that owing to negligence are getting stuck into two pages for one idea. Also, bracket links at the beginning of sentences (as pointed out by uselessness)...
John, in the first day or so of the Transition, where problems with text-encoding did strange things with my list names, I tried to fix two of them, but only ended up sending these two to the Province of Not-Found-Land. The two lists in question are titled "Pogovorno: Zoran Hočevar, Rožencvet" and "i~je~я~ich~jaz". Can they be fixed? Also, the letter "č" ("c" with a caron) still appears in list names and pre-Transition words as "�?". Can I fix this myself in the list names, or will I only screw things up?
Would it be possible to add an option to continue to the next page of the Zeitgeist page? Right now I just see whatever comments fit on one screen. Whatever went before that appears inaccessible to me.
Hello, and thanks for the obvious sweat exuded in the migration. I peeped and hated it, but now I've found the Zeitgeist page I'm more at home. If we want Wordnik to be a community rather than simply a resource then that has to be the default view. Fly-by-nights are nice, and I've always liked the data-side of Wordnik, but there are zillions of people looking for a Wordie without realising it - let's grab them. Growth (repeat visits) will be very slow otherwise.
Thanks to the likes of Mollusque for their diligent bughunting.
Good point here, too: a word could have value on the site in terms of comments/lists but this could be virtually invisible to a random passerby. So, the initial Word page ought to have some subtle way to indicate conversation/listing of a word is present.
Yet another aspect of the split: try looking up some of the Wordie neologisms, like alphavocalic. The definitions page gives no hint that Wordnik has information about such words, i.e., that they've been listed and commented on. It should show when words have been listed (maybe showing the first ten lists). To make room for this, how about moving the tags to the comments page (since tagging is a form of commenting), and cutting out six of the picture from Flickr so the right column is continuous.
While writing the previous comment, I realized the shortcoming of have the comment box at the top: it's smaller than before, which makes it harder to compose longer comments. How about popping up a larger window for comments, like the tags box we used to have on Wordie? Or automatically enlarging the comment box once typing hits the fifth line?
I'm starting to get used to the janusian feel of the Wordienik chimaera. The Wordnik definition pages show the ducks from above, and the Wordie zeitgeist pages show the spirited paddling underneath. I'm not sure I want more people to pay attention to the activity below. Might we be overwhelmed if too many people joined the fray?
The split is odd at times though. Clicking on a bracketed word brings you to the definition page, not the comment page, yet the words are often being bracketed to refer to another comment. And tags can be added only from the definitions pages, not the comments pages. We need an option "Take this word and . . . tag it", and a short cut for linking a word to its comment page. (Maybe double square brackets?)
John: right now when I've moved some two-word phrases from one list to another, and they turn up as: thing+thing -- that is, with a "+" instead of a space. To make matters worse, they new moved-words are gallstones that can not be deleted from my wordish urinary tract.
Unless coffee has altered my memory more than I’m aware of, I’m pretty sure the Wordie comment box had always been at the bottom and that I’ve often resented all the scrolling it entailed. So that’s a great improvement!
I’m also in favor of directing at least the wordie.org domain directly unto Zeitgeist—a setting to switch the whole of Wordnik from “dictionary mode” into “social mode” of course goes beyond that and would be much appreciated.
And what about hiding the empty fields on the profile pages? That would render the list more concise and efficient, thus creating potential for more fields.
And little glitch: Since I fixed a Unicode mishap in its title, I can’t open my list “Bored now.” – Evil Words anymore.
John, I added a word to someone's list and found out that once added, I can't delete it but only move it to a list of mine. #deletewords (perhaps it'll make things easier to follow if I tag my reports)
Profile comments are editable now. List comments next, and they'll both start appearing on Zeitgeist soon.
A ways back I said it would be nice to be able to toggle Wordie between 'dictionary' and 'social' mode, depending on mood or purpose. And that's what I hope Wordie/nik evolves into. Wordie's chatter has been the best part, but when it started I was thinking dictionaries, and that still appeals. Maybe that's trying to square the circle, but I hope not. Guess we'll find out.
More specific controls will come, but it can be make more Wordie-like as-is. This may change, but I feel a simpler homepage is easier to absorb for new folks. But I have my homepage set to Zeitgeist and hardly look at the real one--and Zeitgeist is going to get much better fairly soon. And when poking through lists if you use the 'comment' links, you can bypass the lexicographic pages entirely.
Sionnach*, I'm glad your back :-). Be a grouch, it should have been handled better. * fyi, your profile is set to private, so I can't comment on it. A vestige of you having had a previous Wordnik account, I think, back when all profiles were private.
Hmmm. There's still that odd lacuna between the comments over the last two days and those from 16 months ago.
On Wednesday when I visited this site for the first time, I was pretty grouchy, and disappointed that the transition from Wordie had left so much undone/inaccessible. After poking around for a while it is apparent to me that some of the apparent inaccessibility was more due to my own not having been imaginative enough to figure out. There are still some minor glitches - e.g. incomplete lists in the case that the number of list entries exceeds 100 words (a concrete example is my "kenny kens kenning" list, where I was unable to see many of the last 29 of its 129 entries).
But it's obvious to me that you guys (by which I mean John and his - as yet unknown to me - Wordnik hench-techies) have been working your butts off to fix glitches as they become evident. For which I would like to offer my sincere thanks. It's gone a long way toward changing my (admittedly grouchy) reaction on Wednesday of "that's it, this sucks, I'm outta here" to a more understanding "well, I need to stick around and support John and the gang in this new endeavour".
That said, I still find the Wordnik entry parlour a cold, dull, gloomy, unwelcoming portal. One that gives absolutely no sense of the gleeful anarchic mischief that lurks within (at least I hope that spirit still lurks within).
Just as defaulting to word comments seems like the only possible interesting choice, so too does defaulting to Zeitgeist as one's point of entry seem like the only non-yawn-inducing option. There's something so unexpectedly unappealing about this whole "look at us we're a dictionary" aspect. It's like being welcomed in by a bunch of thugs dressed as security guards, or something. Which is to say, distinctly offputting.
Obviously that's just one Wordie's opinion. YMMV and I hope it does. Otherwise the benefits of the transition seem entirely fuzzy. Remind me again, what are those benefits, exactly?
But, there I go again, being a nattering nabob of negativism. Something I promised myself I would try not to be. Apparently without too much success.
Keep up the good work, folks. I'm working on my attitude problem.
John and Wordnik: I'd like to personally thank you guys for being so on top of things here and working so directly with your userbase. That is sooo very cool. I for one will be a longtime supporter and promoter of this site from this point on. Anything I can do to help, please don't hesitate to ask me. You are much appreciated by this user!
Wordie tags are back. There are a few issues still, the main one being that tags show up on your profile, but not always on the tag page itself. I'm working on that, and also on a dedicated tags page to be linked off our profiles.
Thanks for the understanding everyone, I appreciate it. We stumbled on the Wordie integration, which I regret. That aside, these new surroundings feel weird for me too. But all the Wordie stuff will come back online, and I still have faith that Wordnik+Wordie will be a good thing. I hope that will become more apparent once everything is working and we're moving forward again.
ruzuzu and marky, i removed 'recent lookups' from profiles. i'll add it back when it can be made optional and we're sure it's accurate.
we're working on getting wordie tags back and at fixing commenting on lists with special characters in the url. pro, that will hopefully make it possible to comment on 'knuckle tattoos', which is important to me, since i missed that first time around and want to say how much i love it.
also trying to get editing on list and profile comments working today.
I'd thought it would be funny to use the public list of words I've looked up as a sort of ridiculous description of myself, but now I'm worried that Wordnik is doing some editorializing. Sure, it was happy to show the world that I had looked up awesome, which I had, but then it showed mob-owned, which I absolutely had not.
(Of course, it occurs to me that this would be a great place to claim that things were added... then when I look up those potentially compromising subjects (ribbon snakes, or even lingonberries), I can just say there was some glitch.)
So, um, yeah, really, it's no problem... nothing to see here....
Need ability to EDIT comments on my profile page, also to be able to toggle PUBLIC/PRIVATE Lookup List only. Those aren't words I looked up, some are words I simply clicked on and I just don't want my entire navigation made public, while I want my profile to be public.