heteronormative

djsalinger commented on the word heteronormative

This word was thrown out semi-accusatorily at me in a late night conversation. I had to ask what it meant.

Apparantly, in heteronormative thinking there is an assumption of a dichotomy that does not exist.

March 12, 2009

madmouth commented on the word heteronormative

one of the despicable words in the English language

April 11, 2009

sionnach commented on the word heteronormative

The word? Or the concept that it designates?

April 12, 2009

madmouth commented on the word heteronormative

I don't even know what it designates; it's so fumbled up in its self-referential, decadent academic righteousness. I hate the tone and atmosphere of it.

May 2, 2009

john commented on the word heteronormative

Nice job unpacking that, MM :-)

Seriously though, I agree. It's a loathsome word and my new least favorite.

May 2, 2009

knitandpurl commented on the word heteronormative

I can see how the academic righteousness can be annoying -- it's like any buzzword, like saying "weltaunschauung" instead of "worldview" just to be pretentious. But the concept of "please don't assume everyone is straight, and please don't assume everyone believes in a binary system of gender, and please don't ignore my identity/relationships just 'cause they're not like yours" seems a useful one.

May 3, 2009

rolig commented on the word heteronormative

This is a useful term for theoreticians, and there is no reason to disdain it, any more than one would disdain specialized nautical terminology. It's curious the way people seem to admire the specialist jargon from certain fields (military, medical, astrophysical), but get upset when they hear words that convey nuanced notions from the humanities and social sciences (social theory, literary criticism, aesthetics, anthropology, etc.), perhaps from a kind of anti-intellectual populism. The scholars in these fields study ordinary things, like family structure, social prejudices, the workings of the imagination, and while it is true that everyone deals with such things, and hence in a way are also experts on them from a practical perspective, very few people think about these things with any depth or rigor. Those who make it their business to understand the workings of such phenomena do need to develop special terms. I would be the first to agree that these special terms can get out of hand, turning into abstractions that seem to lose all connection with the reality they seek to describe, but in many cases they are useful. I prefer simple, understandable words, but as K&P points out, words like heteronormative are a succinct way to express a fairly complex concept.

I am not a big fan of this word, particularly because here the prefix hetero- means "heterosexual" not "differing" (just as homo- in "homophobia" means "homosexual" not "same"). But within the discipline of cultural theory, this has become an acceptable use. I would, at least in some contexts, prefer the word heterosexualist, but heteronormative has the advantage of sounding neutral, whereas heterosexualist is a more loaded term.

May 4, 2009

sarra commented on the word heteronormative

I like the word, and I do use it. Hallo too, rolig!

May 4, 2009

valse commented on the word heteronormative

Thanks for saying what I'd been thinking, rolig :)

Maybe the word does get too much traffic in contexts where it's not appropriate--say, in casual speech by people who wanna look smart using fancy-shmancy words--but I've only ever seen it used in sociology papers. I may have felt like the word sums up my general frustration with the implicit norms in mainstream cinema and TV or in political discourse or whatever, but I wouldn't use it except in some specific academic discourse.

May 4, 2009

rolig commented on the word heteronormative

Like I said, I'm not crazy about this word, because at first glance it seems to mean "different from what is normative" (compare heterodox v. orthodox), but I wouldn't out-and-out attack it, since the social theoreticians who use it understand what it is supposed to mean. The idea it describes is not hard to grasp, since almost all of us encounter it everyday: the assumption that the heterosexual model of society is properly privileged (if not the only acceptable model).

May 4, 2009

john commented on the word heteronormative

I've heard too many pseudo-intellectual poseurs use this word to not dislike it--I buy the Valse hypothesis. All apologies to Rick Moody, but it has been ruined by semiotics majors from Brown, wearing clunky glasses and knit scarves and babbling about Derrida and reeking of smug.

So maybe it's not the word I dislike, but everyone I've ever met who has used it, up until now :-) Rolig, I very much appreciate your measured tone. You are Obama-like (Obamaesque? Obamian?) in your ability to speak dispassionately about topics that are sometimes combative or incendiary.

And knitandpurl, I agree it's useful to differentiate some of the trappings this word has acquired (pretention, smugness), from its original meaning, which certainly describes a real phenomenon.

May 4, 2009

madmouth commented on the word heteronormative

Usually, when I hear this class of jargon, it's a sure sign that the discussion will turn to more-oppressed-than-thou nitpicking and veer away from meaningful understanding of marginal communities and their issues. Then again, I went to a university with a wretched English department with a serious bone for more-oppressed-than-thou nitpicking, and the academics therein may simply have been fond of abusing such terminology.

May 4, 2009

bilby commented on the word heteronormative

I'd never seen the word until 3 minutes ago and can't quite see what all the hate-mail is about. Dare I say moist? Still, I thank our commentators for putting their thoughts down at such length.

May 5, 2009

pterodactyl commented on the word heteronormative

I'm with bilby. This one's new to me.

May 5, 2009

john commented on the word heteronormative

Oh, I'm sorry, I don't mean to get my kickers in a twist--I hate to be a hater.

There's nothing wrong with the word per se. It's just that there was a period in the nineties when it was in heavy rotation with a certain type of person, pseudo intellectual kids from the Northeast U.S. who went to a certain set of schools, read (or pretended to have read) a certain set of books, who dressed disturbingly alike, and who repeated certain words and phrases with a knowing glance, like they were occult signifiers to be shared only between initiates. "Heteronormative" was one of those words, and it just left a bad taste in my mouth.

May 5, 2009

chained_bear commented on the word heteronormative

This is a very interesting and informative conversation. Thanks everyone, for your thoughts. :)

P.S. I didn't know John wore knickers. *ponders*

May 5, 2009

john commented on the word heteronormative

Unless I'm riding, in which case I tend to sport jodhpurs.

May 5, 2009

TylerCH commented on the word heteronormative

Heteronormativity refers to the state of expectations regarding social performance that anticipates that individuals will behave in ways that cleanly corresponds to contemporary understandings of masculinity and femininity. Heteronormativity supports the notion that heterosexual orientations are the most appropriate and that men and women will relate in ways that reflect this and also reflect a binary understanding of gender. Wikipedia is currently the only reference source I have found that contains an adequate definition of this term, and I'd love for you -- or us -- to be on the same bandwagon!

June 6, 2009

ValentineBonnaire commented on the word heteronormative

Heteronormative. This pertains to heterosexuality as in -- males who like females and females who like males. It relates to sexuality in the same way as above. It relates to the genre of fiction I write as Valentine Bonnaire. I follow a line of writers in this genre -- Literary Erotica -- which is not smut and not pornography. xxoo! <3

February 16, 2013

vendingmachine commented on the word heteronormative

"For me, queerness encompasses my sexual identity as someone uncomfortable with binary presentation. It also encompasses my rebuke of cisgender and heteronormative privilege and the intersection of these privileges with white privilege. LGBT+ labels tend to presume a binary origination, and their usage coincides with a social movement that seeks assimilation and erases the existence of non-binary identities. Using “queer” as a catch-all umbrella term, whether intentionally or not, silences that important fringe voice."--https://www.them.us/story/what-does-queer-mean

July 2, 2021